How One Podcast Listener Became a Junior Dev (Without a College Degree) with Jesse Moore (S6E1)

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Are you interested in learning how to get hired as a junior developer… but you have no college degree, no industry network, and few opportunities where you live?

Jesse MooreJesse Moore was in the same boat. He was working a handful of boring jobs, feeling uninspired, and wondering what was next for him. The silver lining was that his jobs gave him plenty of time to listen to podcasts as he worked—and that’s when he discovered the Learn to Code With Me podcast.

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It didn’t take Jesse long to decide that he wanted to become a programmer. He had studied audio engineering in school and worked at a radio station for a while, and tech felt like a natural fit. Over the next year, he dove into Udemy, Lynda (now LinkedIn Learning), and Codecademy, pushing through setbacks along the way.

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Living in a small town in Montana meant that opportunities for networking or tech-job-hunting weren’t plentiful, but Jesse’s lucky break came when he befriended a full-stack software engineer who worked remotely. They volunteered at the same youth program, and one day after work, his new friend offered him a tech internship. Jesse’s hard work and passion ultimately turned that internship into a job offer: he’s a full-time junior developer with the company today.

In this episode, you’ll learn more about Jesse’s story, how to deal with failure and feeling stuck, the key to successful networking, and more. Listen below.

This episode was transcribed with the help of an AI transcription tool. Please forgive any typos.

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Laurence Bradford 1:14
Hey listeners, in today's episode I talk with Jesse Moore. Jesse is a 26 year old who lives next to Glacier National Park in Montana. After quitting a solid job being laid off from two startups, and helping his wife get through nursing school, Jesse found the Learn to Code With Me podcast. Now he's working full time in his dream job as a developer.

Laurence Bradford 1:38
Today we talk about Jesse's work in the audio industry before he discovered his ambition to be a developer and how much his life has changed now that he works and lives in a place that he loves. Jessie also share some advice for others who are in a similar position as he was just a few years ago and want to follow a similar path. If you're thinking of transitioning into a tech career, this episode is for you. Enjoy.

Laurence Bradford 2:09
Hey, Jesse, thank you so much for coming on the show.

Jesse Moore 2:11
Yeah, for sure. Glad to be here.

Laurence Bradford 2:12
I'm really excited to chat with you today because we first connected because you reached out as a listener of the show. And now you transitioned into tech. And I know your story is going to be super motivating and inspiring to others. So I'm really glad we could coordinate this.

Jesse Moore 2:27
Oh, definitely.

Laurence Bradford 2:28
Yeah. So to get the ball rolling, could you tell us a bit about yourself and what you were doing before you got interested in tech?

Jesse Moore 2:35
Yeah, for sure. So my name is Jesse and I live in the beautiful northwest part of Montana, close to Glacier Park. And I this question is kind of hard to because I've been in tech, technically most of my life. My dad was a musician and audio engineer all my life and so I I spent a lot of time on the road with him in recording studios, spent a lot of a lot of my time around tech minded people, mostly in that audio realm. So I grew up in that. Like I said, I was on the road, helping mix Front of House stuff and monitors, and helping my dad setup stuff. And then my dad was also a web designer, kind of techie on the side, and on the weekends, he did extra projects. So I was around that and inspired by that and saw a lot of what he did. And that inspired me at a pretty young age to get into tech.

Jesse Moore 3:46
My first job, and in high school was not tech related at all. I was a housekeeper of sorts, a groundskeeper all through high school and then I worked a couple odd jobs here and there. And then I eventually put my passion with tech and audio and sound into interning at a recording studio here in my town. And so I spent a lot of time in that tech realm of things, which was really interesting. And, and that's interesting how that kind of played into what I'm doing today.

Laurence Bradford 4:25
Nice. So did you go to college or did you study at the University?

Jesse Moore 4:29
I actually went, so I went to my local community college and my plan was, I was going to do a couple years there, get all my generals done. And then I was going to go to private school for audio engineering. And then things just things kind of took a turn midway through. I got an opportunity about a year in at school to intern and eventually work for a radio station in my town and I ended up working up through just you know that I think the first part of that was I was setting up music and importing music and editing music so that it would have a good intro and an outro to each song. And then I eventually worked into doing voiceovers and commercials and, and then doing some on air stuff and live and then eventually working up into a program slash director's position. And I ended up working there for almost six years. So I kind of put school on the back burner, and went and did radio for a while, which was a ton of fun, and I learned a lot and I met a lot of amazing people throughout the country and that so that was really cool.

Laurence Bradford 5:54
So like you said, you did voiceover work. Do you mean you were good coordinating and editing artemia you were a voice actor?

Jesse Moore 6:02
I did both. Yeah, so we live in a pretty small town. And so radio is still pretty prevalent and important here. It's how a lot of people do their ads and getting their business name out and whatnot. Of course, interviews were important as well. But I did a lot of commercials for you know, local businesses here in town and I would do everything from writing the copy to recording it to editing all of that and software and producing that putting music beds underneath and, and playing it on the radio. So yeah, it was a ton of fun.

Laurence Bradford 6:43
Wow, like a like a one man show. I asked that because I totally forgot about this, but I actually did some radio ads when I was young as like a child. I think there was just two maybe three, but yes, it was local in my area. I grew up in Pennsylvania, and one was for a golf course. And another one was for a another kind of amusement park with a waterpark. And I was like the child and the ad that was talking to the parents. So amazing. Yeah, I completely forgot about that. But yeah, that that's that's really cool, though. So So you put college on hold you were working at this radio station, you're working your way up. What led you then to want to get tech skills? I mean, you already had tech skills. You were working with computers constantly, right? But it was different than web development.

Jesse Moore 7:35
Yeah. And what was really cool about this too, was I've always felt like, I've always felt like radio, in a sense in the tech realm is kind of in stuck in an age. I don't know whether, you know, that age was the 90s or late 80s. But I felt like whenever you would go to like a radio website, it was absolutely awful. And they're streaming services were terrible, even for big name radio stations. So I felt like it was really important, especially for my generation to tune in on something that was reasonable, something that you could pull up on your mobile device and what and whatnot. And at this time, I was not a developer, of course, I was managing a radio station.

Jesse Moore 8:20
So I actually coordinated with a software developer and we made ourselves you know, this website and had a great streaming service that showed what songs had previously played what was coming up next, what was currently airing. And I took, you know, a lot of stuff that was really old, like we had a lot of old equipment and just kind of refurbished it made it better. I kind of had to learn how these computers worked and the programming software worked. So I had to keep it all running. So it was basically me doing most Everything. And I had a crew of about seven to 10 people that would come in and voice track throughout the day for various programs. But yeah, I kept it running so..

Laurence Bradford 9:11
Wow. So that was your first foray into web development.

Jesse Moore 9:16
Yeah. So that that definitely got me hooked and transitioning, I guess out of that into some more tech per se. I had some opportunities to join some startups right after that. So the first opportunity was one of my really good friends actually a teacher of mine in high school. He started a small business here in our town, and it was a luxury leather goods, business, and he was making some really good stuff. And so I thought it was really cool what he was doing. What I was excited about was being the guy that could put together the websites social media accounts kind of brand, this new business, you know, give it a face and and see what happened. And so that that was the first opportunity, which was really cool. And so long story short, we ended up taking on a project that was way too big for us. And it kind of burned us out. And as a small startup, you know, we we couldn't handle the demand. And so I decided to kind of shift things again, and I joined another startup company that another friend of mine had, and that was strictly a tech company, which was really exciting because this is the realm that I wanted to play in.

Jesse Moore 10:52
So this, this other opportunity to opportunity I had was a, again, a tech company and they were focused Completely on limiting screen time for families within the home. So it was an application on your phone that would basically manage as a parent, you'd be able to manage your whole family's devices and set restrictions. And there was actually kind of like a rewards based system where if you got your chores done, you could earn, you know, so much screen time, which is really cool. And then we had a home router that we built as well, that had all of this content filtering and stuff like that on there. That would, you know, restrict a lot of bad things that come to the home. So that was a really cool opportunity. I was brought on more on the marketing side, and I worked hand in hand with our developers and our designers creating the website and And the app. And then again, like a startup company. We were kind of we were beat in the race, I should say. There were multiple companies that were kind of doing the same thing at the same time. And yeah. And we didn't quite make it. But it was a fun, fun learning experience.

Laurence Bradford 12:20
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure you learned a lot. And these two experiences, got your foot in the door, and we're like stepping stone for things to come. But I kind of want to circle back a little bit. What was the timeline for some of this, like, you built this? You built this like streaming website for the radio, and then you work with these two other startups? What was the like, how much time was between all these? How long were each of these?

Jesse Moore 12:45
Yeah, good question. So I was with a radio station for six years. And then I joined my friend Ryan with bespoke luggage and I was there for about seven months. And that's was a split time with Cardoso. And I was about seven months almost exactly with them as well. So it was I mean, not not quite even over a year I was with those two startup companies, and then scrambling after that to find a job, which was probably the most difficult part, you know, working in these amazing companies, and then all of a sudden, dang, I'm out of work. You know, what's next?

Laurence Bradford 13:30
Yeah. So, I love though, like with your story that these first two opportunities that you had, well, I guess, technically well, three, one was with your current role, which wasn't technical to begin with, but then it was sorry, was to pertain to web development. He took on a project there where you're building a website, and then the next two startup tech related companies you worked for. They were like connections or people in your network where you got the first operation. He's from did you go about that intentionally or did it just kind of all come together and the pieces just aligned?

Jesse Moore 14:08
Yeah, it kind of a little bit of both. You know, I can't stress the importance of enough of relationship and you know, having I don't know just a lot of people in your in your corner at with a lot of different opportunities. You never quite know what's going to happen in the future and it's, it's always good, you know, knowing these influential, influential piece people and being being able to step into an opportunity like this like I probably wouldn't have been able to step into these opportunities unless I had you know, good standings and and long lasting relationships with these types of people, especially like in I don't know if it's just a Montana thing, especially In Montana, like, you kind of have to, you either have to prove yourself, right like if you're going to go in and interview for a job or whatever it is, you definitely have to prove yourself or have the credentials and backing of, you know, a degree, or you have to know someone really well. That's going to be like, yeah, heck yeah, Jesse here, you know, haven't be a part of this. I know him. I i've been friends with him for a long time. I've seen his work and what he does, and I felt like that's what got me the opportunity, which was really cool.

Laurence Bradford 15:34
Yeah, they know that all makes a lot of sense. I'm also curious though, so when you are working in these initial positions at the radio station in the two startups, were you taking any kind of online courses or reading textbooks or what have you at the time, or were you primarily learning on the job?

Jesse Moore 15:53
At that time, it a lot of it was on the job and figure Without a lot of crashing and burning, and figuring out, oh man, how do I how do I make that better, especially with the radio station, a lot of that couldn't have really been sought out through some sort of, you know, learning website or you know, there's there's not many tutorials out there for doing stuff in radio. So a lot of that I had to just figure out and a lot of those skills to I took from doing audio and recording and stuff with my dad. So that definitely helped transition into the radio stuff. As far as the startups and doing the website for bespoke and being a part of kudos, doing the marketing, all that stuff. A lot of that was googling and you know, YouTube and figuring out, you know, what are other guys doing as far as the social Social media aspect and promoting the business.

Laurence Bradford 17:03
Yeah. So it sounds like you did a lot of learning on the job. And I mean, I think everyone does this, like, no matter where you work you Google or YouTube things. It doesn't have to be on the job. It could be like, just around your house. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Just looking for answers online. So yeah. Okay. So you were Apple Starbucks for seven months, and then the second one phased out, and then you were looking for a job. And as you said, you were kind of scrambling after that. So can you tell us a bit about what happened then?

Jesse Moore 17:32
Yeah. So all of a sudden, I'm out of work. And it was one of those things where like, Hey, you know, we love you, man. You do a great job, but we can't pay you anymore. And so it was like, Alright, well, I'll figure this out. And at the time, my wife was finishing up nursing school. And my number one goal was, I'm going to get her through school, and we're going to do whatever it takes for her to finish And then once she has a job we both agreed on, you know, I'll pursue and figure out what I want to do.

Jesse Moore 18:06
So I worked at a grocery store, like totally different, you know, going from all these amazing tech opportunities to stocking toilet paper. very humbling experience, I must say. And then I went from there and worked at a local machine shop, a manufacturer here and here in town and that that job was so depressing. I just struggled so much, but I knew that you know, if I can just get my wife through this last part of school, I could find something better. And actually, right around this time, is when we were discussing, you know, what, what do I want to do and believe it or not, that's when I started listening to this podcast and getting inspired to You to code and to get into programming.

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Laurence Bradford 21:13
Oh that's so exciting or I mean the podcast parts exciting not the part of the working at that work that was depressing obviously that that's not great but I think it also just goes to show like we have seasons in our life and sometimes we're in a season that is maybe not exactly what we what we dream of but it's important to go through that season to get to the to the next phase and to the next season and and all that so how long were you working then while your wife finished nursing school at the subtract these two positions that were not the tech startups you were at before?

Jesse Moore 21:48
I want to say? I could be wrong in this. She might correct me later but I want to say that it's a it was probably like eight months or so of working at both of These jobs that were just very mundane. And, you know, I think that the biggest part of it that was so hard for me was there was no creativity and no innovation. So every day, you're doing the same thing over and over and over again. And I think a big part of me wanted to create something better, you know, to have purpose as I walked through those doors. And so, at that time, my purpose was, you know, looking forward. Like you said, this was just a season, and I had to keep reminding myself that that, you know, Jesse, this is just a season, there's something so much greater ahead. What do you want to do? Let's do it. Let's learn and figure out how I can get there so..

Laurence Bradford 22:51
Yeah, that's no, that's great. I think there's a lot of people I mean, I mean, everyone again, goes through times like that, where it's not where they want to be, but they know on the other side That it's something better is waiting. So for about eight months you were doing these less than desirable jobs. And you found this podcast I'm sure you're also looking at other resources during then and other things that were tech related. Did you start taking any online courses or related at that time?

Jesse Moore 23:20
Yeah, actually, um, so I remember sitting in my living room, after I hit long day at one of these jobs and talking to my wife about what I wanted to do, and you know, after being inspired, through your listeners and through through some other resources, I found just some basic stuff online. I think the first thing I went through when I was talking with her was Code Academy, and I was on there. Just going through some basic, basic courses. I was doing another course I I tried to remember or figure out where it was, but I was doing another course online. And it was a little like, Whoa, this is too deep, too intense. So I needed to kind of backtrack and figure out the basis basics first, before I delve into that, but it was some obscure language at the time, and I don't even know what I was doing.

Laurence Bradford 24:28
Yeah, I definitely had some of those moments when I first started out and I would end up like very early on and of course, and really frustrated and when I use this and I'm just give up like, I would give up for a couple weeks and stop learning and then I would, you know, get back into it and get get motivated again, but yeah, it's really hard. I know early on. So okay, so you're taking these courses, you're working these jobs, what happened? What happened next?

Jesse Moore 24:59
Okay, so Then eventually I got another gig that was way better than those other two. And I was working a it, like helpdesk kind of job and, you know, working with some small local businesses, and working with another friend of mine, and basically going around to the small businesses, fixing computers, fixing server related issues, and a lot of this stuff was so new and so fresh, I kind of understood the basic concepts of things. But I really had to dive in deep and figure it out. So I spent a lot of time you know, asking him, you know, his advice on things and, you know, teach me everything, you know, and I'll take notes and so I did that for a while, and that led me into doing more online courses to at that time I kind of wanted to know the basic understandings of how computer worked.

Jesse Moore 26:05
So I did some basic, you know, comp Tia online certification courses. And that gave me a great concept of how a computer works and runs and thinks, per se. And so that was really good. This job is what led me into my internship. And, you know, this was kind of one again, one of those things where I needed to put food on the table. So this was better than option A and option B. So here's C. And then this this is the cool part. While working this job, I met a guy here in our town, and we became pretty good friends and a span of three months or so. And he was a computer programmer, and I had no idea For the first few weeks to a month or so, and when I found out he was a programmer and after, you know, going through all these courses and, you know, trying to find the place in tech and listening to programming podcasts and all this stuff, I, I was just like, Hey, we need to talk, we need to hang out, and I need to soak up everything that you know. So he spent a lot of time with me. We went got coffees, and you know, and beers and we hung out and we we talked about programming, and that was that was really inspiring. So, one day, I remember he invited me up to his house, and I was totally oblivious just that that we were hanging out and I get up there and no joke. We had like a two hour conversation about just something random, probably nothing to do with programming and to Towards the end of that conversation, he's like, hey, so I know that you're working this AI t gig right now.

Jesse Moore 28:06
And you know, you've expressed, you know, how much you love programming or how much you're going to love programming and want to be a part of it someday, and how you're doing these online courses and stuff. I have an opportunity for you. And I was like, all right, he's like, so we have an internship opening up. And we would like to, we would like to bring you on, and it's a six month internship. And I'll pay you more than what you're getting paid now. And if you can prove to me at the end of this thing that, you know, you can do this. You're going to have a seat at the table, and I was just, yes, sign me up. I remember going home to my wife and being like, so I have another opportunity. And we'll see how this one goes.

Laurence Bradford 28:53
Yeah, so was this internship remote or was it in your town?

Jesse Moore 28:57
Yeah. So this is really cool. So He works remotes. His wife also works for the company remotes and they have a pretty sweet gig. And they have an office building here that they both share. And he said, Hey, you know, we're looking for more tech people in our tech division of the company, and, you know, we can teach you everything that you need to know. And we would love love to have you on. So basically, I showed up with my laptop and they set me up with a VPN tunnel and I am, you know, working remotely on on coding stuff.

Laurence Bradford 29:37
Awesome. So that was a six month internship. And what happened after that?

Unknown Speaker 29:42
Yeah, so about five months in. I and I, one day, it was just like, hey, Jesse. Can we can we talk to you and yeah, for sure. And I I didn't really think again, I really didn't think anything of it. Because My internship ends at six months, not at five months. And it was like, literally like a month to the tea left that I had. And it was like, hey, you're doing such a great job. We would love to have you on board here as part of as part of Quicksilver, so that was a that was an amazing day. And I was I was super pumped to be on full time as a junior developer with our company so..

Laurence Bradford 30:30
it's so exciting. And how long ago was that? So how long have you been a junior developer at this company after the internship?

Jesse Moore 30:36
Yeah. So I've been there almost a year and six months. So it's, yeah, it's been it's been quite the journey. When I started out, it was not easy, especially in that internship phase. You feel like and I was just being dragged through so much code and you You know, learning JavaScript and CSS and HTML and Java and doing some little bit of back end stuff, and sequel and it's like, man, all this stuff is getting thrown at me. And it's man, it was a lot to take in. So every day, I would go through this. And I just remember writing things down, having notes on my phone or stock paper at my desk. And I would write down all the things that didn't make sense to me and I would go home at night, and I would research them and look them up unpaid.

Jesse Moore 31:43
Trying to take as much you know, time as possible, off the clock to learn so that when I came in the next day, I would have at least some basic understanding. But the greatest thing about this opportunity was, you know, to a point there expecting me to, to learn and to know this stuff, but they knew that I wouldn't, you know, get it, get it done overnight or understand it right away that it takes time. And it's a process. It's it's like learning how, just like anything like learning to ride a bike like it, it takes a long time when you're a little kid to get up on that bike and get going. But eventually, once you got it, you got it. And I still feel like I'm, you know, wobbling on that bike from time to time and probably, you know, as a programmer, we're always learning new things. So it will tend to be a little wobbly here and there but yeah, it's it's a learning process. But that's, that's the exciting thing about it too, is there's always something to learn.

Laurence Bradford 32:47
Yeah, it sounds like from an outsider, you know, looking in you had a bunch of these smaller experiences and internships and jobs that led to where you are now. And Again, from the outside, it seems like a pretty seamless jump, but or a seamless progression, but I'm sure it wasn't that way. Were there like a lot of moments where you felt doubt?

Jesse Moore 33:11
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Like, like I said, like in, in the town and area that I live in, they're, they're just not a lot of opportunities for tech unless you unless you really know someone that has, you know, a remote gig, or, you know, kind of like what I'm doing, where they have a small entity that's based out of northwest Montana, that's part of a bigger company in California or whatever the case might be. But it's it's really hard to get into those places unless you have a degree. It's hard just in general to live in this beautiful area and, and have an opportunity in tech. So I'm super grateful and thankful for the people on My life that I've been able to make connections with that have got me into those doors like, I don't even know how a lot of these opportunities have happened. And it's, it's been neat to see. And, you know, meeting the company and the people that I'm with today was like, it was totally, totally random occurrence. And, yeah. So.

Laurence Bradford 34:26
So what advice do you have for other listeners that are where you were a couple years ago and want to get to where you are now?

Jesse Moore 34:34
Yeah, for sure. I would say, first and foremost, never stop learning. In the tech realm, you know, a lot of times on a project, we're, we're blocking on something, right? We're waiting for someone to finish the back end part of our code or, you know, maybe we're getting errors in our code. We can't figure it out. So we're we're blocking at the moment and You know, in this learning phase, you're going to be blocking and you're going to be very frustrated. But you got to know that, you know, eventually you're, you're going to solve that problem if you keep at it. And so something that I've done is, when I am in that phase where I'm blocking, I just take a moment to breathe, I step away from it, I go do something that you enjoy doing, like a hobby. something I love to do is mountain bike. So when I'm really stressed out, I am like, Okay, I'm gonna go breathe for a bit. So get on the mountain bike, go ride, some trails, come back, and then I'm ready to go.

Jesse Moore 35:39
And I'm able just by clearing my mind to go a couple steps forward. Another thing I would say is, again, I've said this so much, relationships are important. So treat everyone you know with the utmost respect and kindness and grace and that will go farther on Long then you know, and you just, you never know what opportunities you might get by just being kind to someone and reaching out to someone that way. And then another thing I would say too, is be prepared to fail. failures are often looked at as a bad thing, but I think in a way and through my experience, they've been seen as a really good thing. They've, my failures have helped me look at things differently and, you know, do do things better, make things better. And when we learn from those mistakes, we gain wisdom and that wisdom, you know, build their character and understanding and we are able to have more of a balanced look on life. And I think that if, if I was constantly focused on, you know my successes or my failures and not having a balance between the two even. It would be it would be a struggle. So yeah, just not. You don't need to be in the dumps if you're not understanding something right away. It's it takes time to work through these things, because it's complicated.

Laurence Bradford 37:20
Yeah. Thank you so much for sharing all that advice. Those are great tips people can walk away with I want to also ask, especially since you did a lot of jumping around and now you're you know, quote unquote, living the dream or you know, you've made it you're working as a paid full time developer, Andrew working remote, which a ton of people especially listen to this show want to achieve, like they want a position where they can be remote. What is the best thing about working as a developer?

Jesse Moore 37:51
Oh man, the best thing about this job, I would say and especially working remote is that I get to live where I live. And then work from this area. And, you know, I don't want to talk it up too much because then everyone else is gonna want to move here. But there's something about living in northwest Montana and being able to work a tech dream job like I can work tech all day, solve problems work with my friends make really cool stuff. And then in the afternoons, you know, on a hot summer day, I can go you know, out to the lake or go fishing or, you know, this is all stuff I love to do. But, you know, go mountain biking, go camping with the family. It's allowed me to be really flexible with my hours too. And so I've become a real early morning person, which I enjoy. So I get up really, really, really early. A lot of mornings I get up at 545 in the morning and I'm ready to go programming by 6:30 I'm able to, you know, leave earlier in the day and go go play and have fun. So, I would say that that's, that's my favorite part about it is is the flex flexibility with the hours and, and where I get to live.

Laurence Bradford 39:16
Yeah, that's amazing. And that's like, I feel like what it's really all about, like, not the job itself, but what it can do in other areas of your life that are more important, like spending time with family, friends, you know, doing other things that you're passionate about. And it definitely sounds like you have the ability to do all these different things, you know, while working remote and living in Montana, which you love. So I'm so happy for you. That's really great. I want to also ask, what hopes and goals do you have now for the future?

Jesse Moore 39:48
I feel like this list. Technically could be never ending, but I'll sum it up with this. I just want to constantly constantly be a better programmer every day and the guys I work with are at just another caliber. And I aspire to be like them. So if I can, if I can have just a little chunk of their knowledge, I'll be stoked. But yeah, I just want to, I want to have, you know, eventually a lot of skills to solve a lot of many different problems. And, you know, right now I'm just learning a lot of new platforms and areas. And, you know, maybe I have one area right now that I'm good at, but there's, there's a lot of different areas that I would like to excel in, get better at and just have more of a well rounded, almost full stack, you know, skill base, so maybe someday I'll get there.

Laurence Bradford 40:51
Awesome. Well, I think that is an amazing way to end so we're going to wrap things up now. Thank you so much, Jesse for coming on the show and where can people find you online?

Jesse Moore 41:00
Yeah, probably the easiest thing would be through J-E-S-S-E Michael M-I-C-H-A-E-L Moore M-O-O-R-E.

Laurence Bradford 41:12
Awesome. Thanks again for coming on.

Jesse Moore 41:13
Yeah, for sure.

Laurence Bradford 41:20
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“I’m so thankful,” Jesse concludes. “I have a great career and I get to live in the most beautiful place in the country. I doubted the journey so many times during the learning and networking process…but with persistence, inspiration, and hard work…it really paid off.”

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